Forgiving the guardian of the institution for harming my sweet innocent wife who did nothing to deserve this. LDS Quotations is a resource for quotes on Prayer and 100s of other topics for talk or lesson prep, or just to browse. For a teenage girl to say that she’s over it is for her to say that she’s past the conceit of following orders in the name of worshiping the MC in question, because the music business has become a means for myth-building for the purpose of extracting wealth from the public. 40 years. No, I didn’t use the instruction dialog associated with the prayer circle. Jesus was tempted 40 days.,, Follow Latter-day Commentary – Last Days – Signs of the Times on, Duane Crowther Has Not Been Excommunicated, Mauricio Berger and the Sealed Book of Mormon, Snuffer Reader Excommunicated for Apostasy, Latter-day Commentary - Last Days - Signs of the Times. The reason you must dedicate the altar to the Lord is because it will be used to open a conduit. If I had shared such an experience earlier in my life, I don’t think I would have been prepared. So all the cups got broke shards beneath our feet but it wasn’t my fault Apparently the angel who recorded my prayer took it to the Lord, got the answer to my request and then returned to deliver the message. Is it really about physical objects in this mortal “holodeck”? I try to go once a week. Your post has answered a prayer for me, and the spirit has testified of that you have spoken truth. BTW: In your post you mentioned that you had something that God wants you to post that you would post the next day, as it is now 2 days further and there is still no post I am hoping it will come later today. log, Again, I thank you for all you allow, share and teach!!! 2. The adults did not have the faith to understand. What I felt at the conclusion was a complete enrapture in the Holy Spirit to the point of being overcome. It seems to be stemming from inside the church. I’m sharing this in an open public forum with the Lord’s permission. Now that I have the Lord’s endorsement, I feel I cannot remove it without his permission. We each are Adam and Eve. Tim has put direction to questions I’ve had, but more questions arise, then dogmatic statements confuse. It is my election. Be open to the many layers and interpretations that will unfold. Tim, this is marvelous. This council was given to those members of the “anointed quorum” in Nauvoo. Thanks for asking me for more details. “The Holy Ghost did fall upon them and enter their hearts.”.. “the Holy Spirit of God did come down from heaven”. I always dismissed it as, “Something we only do in the temple.” After reading your post I followed your counsel this morning and was granted a sweet taste of heavenly communion that I have never felt while praying. What joy fills my heart to hear you proclaim these words, Tim! In Mormonism, a prayer circle, also known as the true order of prayer, is a ritual established by Joseph Smith that some Mormons believe is a more potent method of prayer that can lead to receiving greater blessings and revelation from God. If this request is coming from Salt Lake, I can only respond as follows: I asked for and received permission from the Lord to post what I did. 30 And Ammon said unto him: The heavens is a place where God dwells and all his holy angels. I honestly feel as though I’ve been robbed of years of learning, of insights and strength I could’ve gained, had I realized I was able to discuss what I’d learned. My own journey has just begun and I believe your writings are relevant and I thank you for your honesty and example. If we pray in English, for example, we should use the pronouns of the scriptures when we address God—Thee, Thou, Thy, and Thine, rather than the more common pronouns you, your, and yours. While we are speaking of the temple…I’ve always wondered the reason we veil our faces. Please, tell me why we’re taught about it if we’re not to use it ourselves to rend the veil and converse with the Lord? I’m looking forward to hearing from President Monson, our prophet. Quickly, a three day festival showing numerous short films, typically about nature, outdoors, climbing, challenging fears, awareness of this incredible creation earth!! 4 We pray to our Heavenly Father, 5 in the name of Jesus Christ, 6 by the power of the Holy Ghost. Thank you Lord for answering my prayers. I gave her some counsel that I’m not sure she liked and offered to give her a priesthood blessing. They ask me to do the opening or closing prayer everytime, but I'm so worried I might not say it right. I used to be troubled by dark dreams punctuated by visitors from the unseen world. If we have a difficult task before us, Heavenly Father is pleased when we get on our knees and ask for help and then get on our feet and go to work. Not just some trite statement but a declaration of pure light and knowledge transmitted AND received. We purchase the pearl by doing exactly this. I said “child” because when Jesus came to the Nephites, He essentially had a prayer circle with the children. Thank you for your candor! The Holy Ghost can teach us to pray and guide us in the things we say (see Romans 8:26; 2 Nephi 32:8; 3 Nephi 19:9, 24). I did not waste his time. 5 And again the third time they did hear the voice, and did open their ears to hear it; and their eyes were towards the sound thereof; and they did look steadfastly towards heaven, from whence the sound came. I just came across your blog a few days ago, and I’m glad I’ve done so. There is also the Jewish aspect, because our tradition comes through them. Then you're just allowing others to share your prayer at a later time. Where did the Holy Ghost fall from to enter their hearts? Their skin in craters like the moon Additionally… My confusion comes with the inclusion of “child”. Elijah and 40 days in Horeb, the rain during the Flood and Noah lasting 40 days. I intend to make it sure. I have a personal testimony of the power of prayer because I have experienced many of the blessings of prayer in my own life. As far as question four, I don’t think Carol has even read my post. The Stages of Prayer The Stages of Prayer A guide to understanding where you are, and what you can do to improve your prayer life. It is not what the Lord wants. I’m glad to see you have figured it out. Now I know. It was confirmed to me this evening. Jesus revealed that we pray to a wise Father who knows what things we have need of, before we ask Him. And the prayer of faith will save the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up. Thus aligning, we can then allow for more of there to be established here 🙂. 45 And behold, the Holy Spirit of God did come down from heaven, and did enter into their hearts, and they were filled as if with fire, and they could speak forth marvelous words. This is sacred ground. That phrase is troublesome every time I hear it – “perfectly aligned with the Brethren.” There’s just something wrong with that. I don’t always agree with everything they say, but that doesn’t mean I don’t sustain them. If it crosses the line to tell me I’m fine with that too. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. There is no doubt this works. 😉, Ah!… Somehow I missed completing the though that “I posed some questions to a friend about this basic topic… hard to do over great distances though.”, Tim, thank you for sharing the details of your prayer, it gives me great peace to know the LORD knows and loves li’l ol’ Tim in California USA. Adam = conscious mind. I had no idea this post would get the response it has received. Several of the private emails I’ve received since I posted about my experience have indicated there will surely be displeasure expressed or that censure will probably be required of me by my brethren in the Stake Presidency and the High Council with whom I serve and love. In a way you are praying beforehand. I have wondered about certain things in there for years. We then need to show it was received by believing it and living by it. (Why else would we all be here on earth, together, for this mortal test? In any case, the result was the opening of the heavens and the ministration of angels. As I read this scripture, I am again reminded of my experience with Bro Pace’s book and further wonder about why he was chastised by Bruce R. McConkie. What you say is the goal each of us should be striving to achieve through the grace of God. Reverent steps including fasting will strengthen your faith and reliance upon the Lord. I know what mine is and at this point I do not have the Lord’s permission to share it. ‘Cause what this palace wants is release, I’m kind of over getting told to throw my hands up in the air Feel free to message us or post on our wall. This is wisdom, and how one may avoid preaching the philosophies of men mingled with scripture. It might just MEAN that the power of your godliness starts to be manifest to you through the ordinances. Our prayers for our own welfare and for the welfare of others will be in vain if we “turn away the needy, and the naked, and visit not the sick and afflicted, and impart of your substance, if ye have, to those who stand in need” (Alma 34:28). We're very thankful to participate in this community. I’ve read one account where Eve is compared to the Physical body, Adam to the Spirit that lives with in the body, and those sent to give us instruction as the Mind (of God), that part of God that is within us that we are able to receive when the body and spirit are unified. BTW, in my mind there is a difference between the TOP and the OP as currently taught. “That order also defines bounds of revelation. In other words, I can now say the Lord asked me to do something specific. The True Order of Prayer isnt just for the temple – it’s an example of how we should strive to be in all of our prayers. I’m a mother of almost 5 children in my early 30’s raised in the church. Moses on the mount 40 days, and the Israelites wandering 40 years. And you know, and you know, and you know, The comment about hands in the air was in response to a question about sustaining the Church leaders in the upcoming General Conference. It takes on additional, special meaning as we are taught in the endowment. Its members-only status ironically has robbed the prayer circle of the The Lord gave me an assignment Monday morning as I was driving to work. And you know, and you know, and you know. Frankly, I don’t think most members care. The prophet Mormon warned that if anyone “shall pray and not with real intent of heart … it profiteth him nothing, for God receiveth none such” (Moroni 7:9). Thank you Tim for sharing your marvelous experience with the TOP. I know all the necessary keys and authority for receiving salvation/exaltation are still with the Church. If we didn’t need others to learn, then we could just do this whole thing solo.). Includes a crossword about prayer. Where did Christ say heaven was which the listeners couldn’t understand? I love what you had to say about loving and sustaining those who lead this church. Superlative Reality: Now I am being taught here. The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that ‘it is contrary to the economy of God for any member of the Church, or any one, to receive instruction for those in authority, higher than themselves.’ (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. I hate to say it, but unless she asks…well, enough said. It is a testament to me that you are speaking with the tongue of an angel. I will also openly admit (although, again, I’m sure I don’t use the word the way you would use it), that I have been AND will be “deceived” along my path…no doubt about that! ” (DHC 2:196), (I believe this invitation applies to women as well as men. I am in the process of converting to become mormon. I’ve wanted to know that for years. A hundred jewels on throats I’m really blown away…. So… long story short, I haven’t been in years and haven’t been to the temple for years. I had been doing it wrong for so many years because I was not standing when offering the signs. I have also wondered where I could place a “real” altar in my home. Why, oh why is this not taught more openly and plainly in our church? I may get another one of those calls to come see the Bishop. I’ve debated about making my own blog, but at the moment I am a terrible writer (in that it takes me forever to get anything down, whether it’s typing or handwriting) so I probably won’t yet. Art thou sent from God? I don’t want to be the means of causing others to lose faith. “I don’t feel I can remove it unless I again ask the Lord’s counsel. 2. This process of analyzing my first experience of a successful execution of the True Order of Prayer in my home has been most helpful. LDS/Mormons: How to say an opening/closing prayer? There is no doubt things have changed for me with this experience as I closed my fast on Sunday evening. I used the second sign as I prayed. Praying with your new name (Have you really taken upon you the “name of Christ”), the name of “Christ” (I’m using this name as a title, not a person), which relationship is mediated by “your” Holy Ghost (remember we are multi-dimensional beings), which when received fully there / here provides a oneness, even a connection between Heaven and Earth, Having gone there, received, we can then return and establish here; a true order. I’m not sure if I can write the things I feel in my heart right now. The true order of prayer is a part of that. She is not convinced of anything even if I show it to her in black and white. I’m not saying it was the Lord. During my adult life after going to the temple I had wondered about the true order of prayer and how it applied to me. See more ideas about lds church, lds, prayers. for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you. @ log 11:34 am … thank you! She is hanging onto what gives her comfort. Remember, the things we are taught are symbols. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? Living in ruins of a palace within my dreams When we receive this opportunity, we should remember that we are communicating with Heavenly Father, not giving a public sermon. It would be great to have a couple praying like this, but if there is only a single person, I think heaven would still open up whether that individual was man, woman, or child. Your ordination is not full and complete till God has laid His hand upon you. I will answer your questions directly. Every morning and every evening, we should kneel together in humility, giving each family member frequent opportunities to say the prayer and uniting in gratitude for the blessings Heavenly Father has given us. ... Eternal vigilance is the price of our faith. Trust me, because of her teachings and example, I understood it and loved it. I have sat in many Gospel Doctrine and High Priest Group Meetings where even long-time temple workers were hesitant to say anything of detail even when the lesson was specifically about the temple. Our connection to heaven matters and it is only through the Holy Ghost that you can make that connection. Not having attended church or the temple in recent years is not a hindrance. They decided to seek those answers at home, in a prayer circle, using the 'true order of prayer,' as taught in LDS temples" (Johns, p. 32). We should ask our Heavenly Father to bless and comfort those in need. Please do not take what one person says as the word of God. I can think of two off the top of my head but I’m sure there is one more I’m forgetting. First, when I pray on the usual side of my bed as I normally do, my prayers are like they have always been – petitions for peace, safety and blessings for others, expressions of gratitude for guidance, inspiration and help with my daily tasks. Mother shared many things with me that perhaps she shouldn’t have, but I can say she didn’t break any covenants as she did. 32 And Ammon said: Yea, and he looketh down upon all the children of men; and he knows all the thoughts and intents of the heart; for by his hand were they all created from the beginning. We will all be better prepared to serve others and withstand temptations. This is inconsistent with the Holy Ghost meaning “your ghost made holy.”. Denver relates what a heavy price that is, though, “I did not have any idea the difficulties and sacrifices involved in trading faith for knowledge. They came out of their experience with false beliefs. Everyone knows you can find multiple copies of the entire temple ceremony online at various sites. Thank ou that is beautiful! Likewise, you will not receive true messengers until you offer obedience and sacrifice that shows the Lord you are serious about parting the veil and conversing with him. Although sometimes we may need to pray silently, we should make an extra effort at times to pray vocally (see Doctrine and Covenants 19:28; 20:51). The power of our prayers depends on us. Only pure knowledge that greatly enlarges the soul without hypocrisy or guile. I felt the Spirit and enjoyed serving the Lord. Tim is a computer technology professional providing desktop support, network administration and systems management in the Small and Medium Business market. Acts 1 I’ll give you a little bit of background first, share what the Lord allows me and conclude tomorrow with what He asked me to write on a different subject. There is a very well written piece on the endowment, title and blog below, that i’d highly recommend reading. I know what the policies are about treating the things of the temple with respect. While I already know this, the point was driven home by Father as the below linked movie was played. Towards the end of the temple endowment the officiator calls up couples from the audience to stand in a circle to pray. Tim is married, has one adult son, and is very active in his local community church. It was not my intention to offend, and yes, I specifically asked the Lord for permission to share this. I immediately felt something I have difficulty describing, but have felt before so I recognized it immediately. Do you want to converse with Him? I am in awe of God who gives liberally to any and all who seek truth. It’s hard to believe he is the oldest apostle at 92. We are all children of God. Here is one key … reclaim what you have experienced as you have read what Tim shared and EXPERIMENT upon the word 🙂 He stands at the door knocking … will you answer? The above warning should be heeded as Lucifer desires to upend you if you do not have sufficent faith and knowledge about what you are doing. Equating our body with Eve and our mind with Adam had never occurred to me. From years of attending such councils, I know how important it is to be submissive. It is sacred to me and part of an agreement with the Lord. The reason to veil has to do with the Shekhinah, which you can research at your leisure. Original Source: Seventies Record, Book B, 28 Dec. 1845, LDS archives, typed copy.  Online Source:  Click here for one. If not, please allow me to do so at my home altar where I received this from the Lord in the first place.”. We live in cities you’ll never see on screen Would it be appropriate to use the bed as an altar? Enter your email address to follow this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. I know this. God bless. On the other hand, practice makes perfect. I’ve written a whole book about this, but to be brief, another possible layer of interpretation is: Eve = subjective perception/entity, “emotion” Want more? There is so much that was “downloaded” into my spirit that it will take years to do all the things the Lord showed me both Sunday night and Monday night. All signs tokens and words are to represent and convey meaning to you. I’ve been through several different blogs, and so far I like yours the most, in that you seem the most “on the level.” By that, I mean in your disagreements with some aspects of the Church, you don’t reject the most important things. She made it sure. I cried driving to work, the Holy Spirit strongly witnessing to me that I was a different man today than I was yesterday, I was stepping into a new live in faith and courage, and then feelings or peace came so strongly that in the LORD it will be Ok. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. I am beginning to see a pattern in the source of opposition to our path. I like your plan to fast on Sunday. Along this process, one will master the ability move from the physical to the spiritual and spiritual to the physical; deeper meanings, interpretations and understanding. You will not be brought into the presence of the Lord until you are tested by false messengers. It matters. God is the only one to whom we owe our loyalties. The temple is all about us. Now I need to make it sure. I knew it was being recorded. You have the keys to deal with that if the adversary attempts it. Or when the children of Thy people, in years to come, shall be separated, through any cause, from this place, and their hearts shall turn in remembrance of Thy promises to this holy Temple, and they shall cry unto Thee from the depths of their affliction and sorrow to extend relief and deliverance to them, we humbly entreat Thee to Turn Thine ear in mercy to them; hearken to their cries, and grant unto them the blessings for which they ask. Christ is veiled, and it is not because we are showing respect for Him, it is because we come through Him to Get to the Father. Strengthen your faith; cast off your doubts, your sins, and all your unbelief; and nothing can prevent you from coming to God. We did two sessions that day just to be sure I understood what I was getting into. If you click on that quote in his blog, you will see that that line is from a song by Lorde, that he quoted. Thank you for this post. I wanted to add something (more of a correction to some comments I made before). I performed my task. Secret signs and passwords accompany this ordinance. He didn’t look too good at the Woman’s Broadcast last Saturday. My family has missionaries over once a week, and this will be our third. I have been pondering your words and scriptures, and maybe the posting of this is just for me, and me just wanting to verbalize for my own benefit, thanks in advance for your patience. That your home is a sacred place like the temple. Consequently, I’ll add my last initial from here on out, so there is no confusion about who’s writing what. They may come in the circumstances of our lives or through the kind acts of those around us. Instead, it is called the true order of prayer because it shows us the mechanism of prayer. Please don’t leave a comment telling me I’ve violated my covenants. She taught me to love the temple. Is it possible only one side is the altar? I love the ancient phrase “if you bring forth the rose inside you what you bring forth will save you. It will be an interesting topic to bring up with him that’s for sure. I want to second Toni’s point. I think we must also recognize the other characters portrayed in relation to Adam and Eve. The scriptures are tips of icebergs that only by revelation do they reveal vast bodies of truth that the prophets are trying to relay. 3 And it came to pass that while they were thus conversing one with another, they heard a voice as if it came out of heaven; and they cast their eyes round about, for they understood not the voice which they heard; and it was not a harsh voice, neither was it a loud voice; nevertheless, and notwithstanding it being a small voice it did pierce them that did hear to the center, insomuch that there was no part of their frame that it did not cause to quake; yea, it did pierce them to the very soul, and did cause their hearts to burn. Anyway, it hasn’t happened yet. If I am called in to explain myself or if they convene a counsel, I will be submissive and respectful. Anyone else who has followed this journey knows what I am about to share is true. I did not feel rushed or that the angel was waiting impatiently, just expectantly, almost as if this was something he did every day. You gotta think that God might be tired of the many repetitive/vain prayers offered every day/night in which we even put ourselves to sleep sometimes:). He is the most important voice we are to heed. I’m glad there are still some people who understand the importance of commanding the messengers of the adversary in the name of Jesus Christ to leave your presence when you want to participate in sacred and holy things. I have felt the Lord’s love many times before and one time in particular that was a “born of the spirit” experience for me while at Ricks College forty years ago. (1 Corinthians 6:19). We can silently express gratitude to our Father and ask Him to strengthen us in our responsibilities. We’re on each other’s team We should “live in thanksgiving daily, for the many mercies and blessings which he doth bestow upon [us]” (Alma 34:38). There is an order or ceremony to prayer that will allow us to converse with the Lord through the veil and receive instruction or revelation. That’s why Denver suggested it takes years of maturity in the gospel to recognize the deception and cast it out. What we do becomes important when we understand the meaning of why we are doing it. Before she went visiting teaching today – imagine that, going visiting teaching on the first of the month – she told me how much she was struggling with finding the time to do all the things she wants to do with marketing her book and finishing her next one. It was not an emotional experience until I “hung up” and said Amen. Still open to deception (messengers don’t always show up with name badges) and there is a seriously steep learning curves to EXPERIENCING the gospel rather than simply reading about it, or going into a dark room and watching a movie about it. This essay is directed to those who have taken out endowments in the LDS temples and are searching for meaning of the different orders of prayer and what it means to pray in the true order. For further details, see the rest of Alma 18 beyond what I have already cited (particularly verse 41), Alma 22:7-18, Moses 6:47-68, and D&C 19:31. Then kneel down to pray using the sign and name you desire as instructed by Brigham Young above. I now know why the Brethren have not taught this openly. The Lord is more concerned with why you do things than what you do. but as it has been noted symbols matter, meaning matters, why matters … congruency along this entire continuum of experience matters; clear from light, intelligence, Father, Son, Holy Ghost, spirit, soul, body, mortal, material and shared mortal experience. But then I remembered prayers where I know it was the Holy Ghost giving me the words to say, then I would repeat them. There should be a prayer circle going on inside us or WITHIN us. I’ve been praying for those who will speak. I’m writing this for my journal as I share this with you. Actually this helped to create a more complete visual than I had when contemplating a family prayer circle at the family alter. We have to pay a price to obtain it but it is worth more than all of the treasures of Egypt. The prayer course taught here is based on a structure of the Four Steps of Prayer which are the following four elements in sequence: 1. 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